First time he visited Melbourne he cleared out
a rave as he unleashed favourite punk tunes. Second time he hit on every chick
that the record company invited to dinner. Last time around he was a superstar
copping flak for exploiting old blues stars in his sampling. Recently he’s
released 18 and rang in from Austria to talk about that and other things.
What state of mind have I found you in? Is there a cinematic character would you liken
yourself to? You’re pretty active on your website. It’s obviously
a conscious choice to be so contactable. Do you attract your fair share of freaks? With no freakish angle? You’ve attacked people for using samples from
an academic angle rather than an emotional one. How do you feel about people who are quite obsessive
about picking out where the samples have come from? You’ve had plenty of people accuse you of stealing
stuff. Are you a record bin obsessive nerd? What’s the biggest element you’ve brought to
dance music? Do you try and offend people? It’s all about attraction now? What about being a pop star? Have you made baldness attractive? Have you ever tried a wig? What do you think of Elton John’s wigging out?
Has Elton given some tips on what you could
do? What kind of ‘do’ would you like to have?
In the early 90s Moby became
one of the first faces people put to dance music attracting as much derision
as praise. Plenty of electronica artists have bagged him for stealing
their ideas and making more money than them. He's a devout Christian and a
militant vegan but rarely speaks about either subject. The New Yorker was
recently gagged when lashing out at the US government/CIA about September
11 and even apologised. Currently he’s involved in a public slanging match
with Eminem. Also recently a rumour went around that he likes to flop his
cock out in crowded areas to see how many people he can rub with it without
them knowing (he claims he said it in jest).
It’s 5.45am. I’ve been drinking and apart from that I’m okay.
Kevin Spacey in ‘K-PAX’. He’s a space alien and so am I. Like him I’m just
trying to better understand myself and the people around me.
What did David Bowie make of the opening track of 18 – ‘We
Are All Made of Stars’?
It’s funny because I just emailed him recently and I said, ‘on a subconscious
level I think I was influenced by ‘Heroes’. The guitar in ‘Heroes’. And he
wrote me back and said, ‘on a subconscious level I’m not offended and I think
it’s a wonderful song’. The weird thing about ‘We Are All Made of Stars’ was
I never thought of it as being influenced by Bowie. All of a sudden the song
comes out and people keep saying that it reminds them of Bowie. It wasn’t
intentional. I was actually thinking more of early new wave stuff like Magazine.
One of the reasons that I make records, do interviews and play concerts is
because I love, I mean I almost pathologically love, communicating with people.
Not really. I think most of my fans seem to be like really smart, open minded
people.
Honestly, I would kind of welcome some freaks cos that would be very entertaining.
Most of the people I’ve met who are fans of mine tend to be bright, educated,
very, very open minded people.
What I was trying to say was when I use vocal samples on my records I’m not
thinking about them as far as … What they represent contextually or circumstantially
that’s not really my criteria for using them. My criteria is that they affect
me on a very, very strong emotional level. I mean I appreciate the contextual
and circumstantial y’know where they come from but that’s not why I’m using
them.
I think 100,000 years ago most human beings lived to be twenty years old.
But now that we live in the contemporary world and we live to be much older
people need hobbies. So if people’s hobbies are figuring out where samples
come from then more power to them.
What’s ironic is the only criticism I’ve received as far as using old African-American
vocal samples has been from white guys in their mid-40s. I mean I have a lot
of black friends in New York and they love my records so I’m not too concerned
about the authenticity of my records because the truth is when someone makes
a record it’s inherently predicated on the efforts of other people. Whether
it’s a hip hop record or a rock record or a dance record. So whatever anyone
does is inherently collage.
No, not at all. I love music and I go out and buy records that I love but
I don’t have a huge record collection. I buy things as they appeal to me.
There are some people who’ve devoted their lives to collecting as many records
as they can and I admire that but at the same time I just try and buy records
that I love. I guess that on one level it’s subjective quality as opposed
to quantity.
The biggest element I’ve brought to dance music is not being a dance musician.
I mean the records I make, I mean honestly, if anyone were to play one of
my albums at a dance club at midnight they would be fired. I mean I love dance
music but I don’t think the records I make are necessarily dance music. They’re
not records that would be played in nightclubs.
If you play it at 6am on a Sunday morning would you get fired?
I think my records like Play and 18 are much more records that
you would listen to driving home from work or making dinner with your friends
or listening to before you go to bed. They’re very quiet, introspective records.
They’re also very personal records. As tragic as this might sound if you listening
to all my records you get a very good sense of who I happen to be as a human
being. Attractive or offensive? I don’t know but nonetheless the records I
make are very, very personal.
In my youth I did. I use to play in hardcore punk rock groups and we tried
to make records that on one hand would attract people but also offend them.
But nonetheless I think I left that behind in my adolescence. At the time
I was a presumptuous adolescent jerk. Hopefully I’ve moved beyond that now.
No, not lowest common denominator attraction. More the idea of attracting
people with records that are beautiful and emotional and atmospheric. If people
don’t like my records that’s really their subjective choice. But I try to
make records that people will love on an emotional, beautiful and atmospheric
level.
But a pop star in the most idiosyncratic, bizarre sense of the word. I mean
compare me to someone like Britney Spears. She’s sexy, and she dances well,
and she’s hot and she sings well and makes very radio friendly songs. I’m
a weird, bald guy from New York City.
(laughs) No. Oh, trust me. If I could have hair I would. I wish I had a choice.
The reason I shave my head is because I have a receding hairline.
The problem is when you wear a wig you sweat too much.
He wears it very well.
He doesn’t talk about the wig too much.
I’d love to have … I don’t know look at someone like Brad Pitt. Or Bono or
David Bowie. They all have great haircuts. But if I were to let my hair grow
I’d end up looking like Phil Collins.
As a bald icon do you feel you’re letting down
the team by not embracing your baldness and still wanting to be a hirsute
man?
No. Genetics has rid me of any ability to hair but I’m happy to be the captain
of the bald team. Unfortunately I’m being told I have to get off the phone
now.
How about one more question – drugs and Christianity.
How do they mix?
In a very, very complicated way. Both of those issues drugs and Christianity
are so broad and so complicated that I can’t even imagine any one person being
able to address either issue in a comprehensive way in one interview.
What about your personal outlook. That should
be easier to convey.
It’s basically predicated on two ideas which are basically forgiveness and
understanding. That’s drugs and Christianity.
That’s something that’s easy for you?
It’s a challenge on both levels. But that’s the only way things are ever going
to evolve is by embracing those two things forgiveness and understanding.
You’ve forgiven yourself?
I kind of have to go now.
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